Does Westboro Baptist in Topeka, Kansas (Thank God for 9/11, God hates fags, Thank God for dead soldiers) fall under the IFB category? I was raised in a conservative Fundamentalist Christian home. Baptists are not Protestants! The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. Baptist as a whole were patriots and many Baptist pastors served as chaplains in the Revolutionary Army. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. Independent Baptist - Wikipedia It is the clergymen who are affiliated. Likewiseif a church is teaching its wrong to do sothey are also in error. I think that point was already addressed. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. I Married a good man and we went to a prominent IFB church for many years and did so until a year ago. Also, I was able to get it through Target drive-up AND in a color that matches my kitchen. Like you I often had the same questions, wondering if I was really serving God or even really saved. I am not in favor of tactics that play on peoples emotions so as to secure a visible result. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). Im not exaggerating when I say that this is physically the hardest and most exhausting day Ive had in years. I even stayed at that church after college for a few years, even though my parents and younger sisters had moved a few hours north. Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. When Is It Right To Leave A Church? - IndependentBaptist.com Your journey, thoughts and conflicts are a mirror of my own. You want to point out that you think that I have anger issues, but have a look at your comments, I dont see awhole lot of love dripping off of your comments either. The It will happen though, that you find your own path, through Gods guidance, of course! Leaving Fundamentalism Leaving Fundamentalism Religion & Spirituality Podcast dedicated to my experiences of being a member of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church (IFBC), my decision to leave, and life after. Thomas Gould, died in 1675 an untimely death, partially because of his having his health broken by several long imprisonments. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Further, suppose that a Bible somehow was to fall from the plane and the inhabitants of this isolated land were to be able to pick up that Bible and read the text for themselves. than we pray that they will get right with God By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. 13:8-10). [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. 4) strict obedience to the pastor He believed the only way to recover was to form a new church based on the Bible. Im here to tell you, however, that the confusion you have is due to the IFBs retention and manipulation tactics. In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. I only know of two. #momlife. He soon embraced Separatists ideas and decided to leave England. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. We exist to help and encourage those whose lives have been negatively affected by fundamentalist legalism in the church and to challenge those who promote tradition over Scripture. I had been attending this IFB for about 30 years. The Star-Telegram included in its count churches where alleged abusers had served before or after alleged abuse occurred because the allegations could affect the congregants. Im all about modest clothing, but I cant tell you how many sermons I have sat through where the man of God railed against women wearing slacks. 7. with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you. Patrick was born in Scotland in 360 AD and sold into slavery at age sixteen and carried to Ireland. Most of the Anabaptists successors became the Mennonites, Amish and Quakers. After Henry VII separated England from the Roman Catholic Church the Baptist faired no better. We left the IFB church earlier this year. I still have an IFB church hangover and long to go back. I also believe that hanging around with non-Christians is detrimental to ones faith as I have done this. (also have an uncle who is a pastor, and an aunt who married a pastor!) Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). WebSerious inquiry. is there any Independent Fundamental Baptist church preachers on Twitter?? When you mix all of that in with my introverted personality, it creates this mixture of an individual that just wants to be left alone when I'm not with my girlfriend atm who's more loving than anyone could ever dream of at the IFB churches I've been to. I constantly felt like I was sinning and would long for the safety of the IFB. 3:2) for Jews who were preparing for coming Messiah and Kingdom God had promised them. 4:11) or leader of the congregation. I wish you wrll. We have several people who are leaving our church. Some Sundays, we spent the whole day in church from 10am. I was bothered by how liberal other churches seemed in comparison to the IFB. An independent Baptist church is one that is not dependent, subject, or subordinate to any outside organization. I was deeply involved from the time I was 12 years old, so Im still in the deep wilderness part of my journey. After leaving we received a couple phone calls from friends we had made there wondering why we left which my husband explained to them. Please anyone readng this, go back and take a couple weeks and seriously read through the gospels again, over and over, our Lord talks about, and condemns pharisees and others for dressing up the outside and not being concerned about the inside, btw if the inside is right the outside will follow. I do attend the Church of Christ. /r/Christianity is a subreddit to discuss Christianity and aspects of Christian life. My best friend who professes to be Christian (she attends a Southern Baptist church), is dating an evolutionist and she tells me that religion is not high up on her criteria for dating and marriage yet she will call me, upset, and say that her boyfriend is hasseling her about her faith. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. -Ray, My church preaches those five points and we are an IFB church. You feel distant from what the IFB taught you about God, the Bible and church. Live in the blessed hope of our Lord Jesus, He loves you unconditionally! Thanks but addressed all points. Any idiot can do that. -, Safety in the comfortable cocoon of fundamentalism -, Spiritual warfare and special needs: "Remember who you battle." Then, I am an independent Baptist. Baptist If it furthers & advances the Kingdom of God (the Church, Evangelism, Missionaries, etc), then I believe it is going to God. It was my burden since then that it seems Jesus wants to gather His flock, but the Wolf in Sheeps Clothing really scattered the sheep resulting to lots of denominations. If that membership does not disqualify us I would say that we qualify as true baptists under your definition of the term. As far as I recall no church ever told me must. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.. I grew up in IFB churches from the time I was about 3, I'm 24 now. My desk is as cluttered as my mind. He is faithful, He is true, He knows, and He is able. I saw Jesus there and the Holy Spirit! It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. Jocelyn Zichterman was born, raised, married into, and finally, with her family, fled the Independent Fundamental Baptist church. No, we are to teach and preach the Word. when I said I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. The form is submitted along with the recommendations of other Calvary Chapel clergymen. WebFirst Baptist Church Of Rose Hill is an independent Baptist church in Redmond, Washington. It is an important part of the church. These worldly churches still call themselves Baptists but in fact they do not believe or practice what true Baptists have historically believed and more importantly what the Word of God says. There have always existed, from the time of Christ, New Testament churches which were not a part of the Roman Church. Leaving Fundamentalism on Apple Podcasts So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. Twenty-one abuse allegations were uncovered exclusively by the Star-Telegram, and others were documented in criminal cases, lawsuits and news reports. There are hundreds of archaic words that I have no idea what they mean and then you have words that have actually changed meaning since the KJV was published like conversation, to me that means to talk with someone, not in the KJV, it means behavior, prevent is another one, to me it means to stop someone from doing something, not in the KJV, it means to precede. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. ABSOLUTELY we teach tithing if you dont want to give a tenth back to the God that saved your soul from hell, then I wonder if youve met the same God that I have. It seems as if the preacher thinks it is within his ability to persuade people to accept Christ or to get people to witness or whatever. WebIndependent Baptist churches are starting to look more worldly and non-denominational, rather than keeping their identity. Im glad the IFB believes in evangelism because it was through these efforts I was saved. We do good works (they are only truly good b/c of the bllod of Jesus that justifys us & are perfect through His shed blood). The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. He refused to wear the robes of his church office, and refused to let unsaved people take the Lords Supper. The first church was founded there in 1688, in Middletown and was made up of many who had fled persecution in the other colonies. Wonderful response and so very true!! 01 May 2023 20:13:01 For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. Love and enjoy your family! Leaving Fundamentalism Leaving Fundamentalism Religion & Spirituality Podcast dedicated to my experiences of being a member of the Independent My wife and I were very active in the church; we too felt like we were being used. Our church stresses the importance of listening to music that is Christ-honoring and doesnt sound like war as the music mentioned while worshiping the golden calf in the Old Testament (inspired Scripture) Copyright 2022 | All Rights Reserved | Proudly Part of the RFP Network. (man of God). Im not saying thats the case only sharing my experience & by Gods grace I have done so I believe. You said that I pulled that phrase out of context but then you went on to prove that it was in context. I knew the Tony Hutsons and John Hamblins were crazy, but I wasn't part of them. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. To the lady dont feel guilty, find a church where there are like minded people and you will feel closer to God ever. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. Are you (or someone you know) a perfect person for us to interview on the podcast? Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. No one I have ever talked to or debated can show me that money is ever to be considered a tithe. A compelling memoir and account of the Independent Fundamental Baptist church and its shocking history of religious abuse. Recovering Fundamentalist Podcast | Recovering Baptist The validity of a church as being a true Biblical New Testament church does not rest in it ability to show an unbroken line of succession from the time of Christ. This church was not founded on a man, but on the Bible. Everyone wanted attention from the pastor and never left the man alone to truly study Gods Word. They were then tarred and feathered and ran out of the county. Look at Ezekiel 33. Not just the New Testament. I think I already addressed that point. In only a few years however, the church had lost all but ten members to the Mennonites and other groups in Holland. She even gave me a monetary gift when I had no money for food. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. It takes time to get over all the brainwashing of the IFB but over time you will learn to recognize it for what it really is, which is control. The Independent Baptist church has a congregational form of government with each member having the right of the vote and all the affairs of the churches are conducted by the local congregation following the guidelines of the New Testament. I loved what you said about knowing the nature of God. In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. Virginia was especially harsh in religious persecutions. If only people would study more to know the voice of their Savior, there would be no one to follow the false teachers. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. Our lives reflect the light of Christ. Even some TV evangelists have referred to themselves as being fundamentalist. That should make me an independent fundamental Baptist, but it doesn't. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. I Fired God: My Life Inside---and Escape from---the Secret World Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? I attend an IFB church. Baptists have always been the champions of the Word of God and preaching of the Gospel. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. I love the way David Hayword (aka The nakedpastor) explains some of the problem. Serious question for those who've had the joy of being forced to grow up in the Independent Fundamental Baptist church which, if you've left it, you know how cultish they are. These new believers would then, following the New Testament example, submit to believers baptism and organize a local church. Michelle, Im so glad that my series has brought you comfort. The Lord our God answered our prayer; He moved us away from the City of London into a beautiful cottage in the country. I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. New Episodes drop Wednesdays at Midnight! It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. I know that as I give more to the Lord Im blessed more & even if not I want to. 4.) Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. Benedict in his history of the Baptists states the Gospel was preached in Britain within sixty years of the Lords return to heaven. It holds high the saving Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ, as revealed in the New Testament and an unwavering commitment to carrying out the Great Commission, that is, to teach everywhere the truth of Gods Word. The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. Rachael God bless you!! No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. Steve must have been on vacation or something. Baptist Benedict states that the English Roman Catholics in 1535, put to death twenty two Baptists for heresies. As I was reading this I was wondering if we had ever crossed paths. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. Shall we simply eradicate all sermons about sin? I find this Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. When its time to leave Thoughts on breaking away. One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! We have the freedom to give as much as we like, without any compulsion. Heres her plea for help and some thoughts I have on leaving the IFB: I was raise IFB I mean strict IFB! It can be historically determined that forty seven Baptist churches were in existence before the Great Awakening. Please note that this presented no problem for this first Baptist church in America. And only imagination could describe what his mind and soul was experiencing. On July 10, 2022, Greater Portland Baptist Church voted to call Pastor Scott McFeters to be the next Senior Pastor of the church. On May 28, 1665, a Baptist church was founded in Boston, by Thomas Gould, who refused to accept infant baptism. That local body of baptized believers would be as valid a true New Testament church as any church Christ ever founded. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. He was a presbyter and former deacon in the Anglican church. WebRT @reachjulieroys: A former Baptist missionary has been found guilty of sexually abusing a 4-year-old, who tested positive for gonorrhea last April Jordan Webb, affiliated with an Independent Fundamental Baptist church, could face up to 32 years in prison at his sentencing. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. The pastors wife ran much of the church, and she had a serious bitter tongue; she would pick on the weaker people in the church. You dont study enough. But there comes a time when the one kneeling at the foot of the cross drinking baby pabulum must grow up and begin desiring strong meat from the word, and that can only happen when hes in the word on his own, and doesnt rely solely on what comes from the pulpit on Sunday for his exclusive exposure to the word of God. I found a load of stuff about people who claim certain Calvarly Chapels misueded them & did not know Bible & also on ehere in Maryland has a onliune tithe on website! Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. For a while you feel as if youre floundering, and its difficult when you are accustomed to 100% guidance and direction in your life, and suddenly its up to you, and God. First Baptist Church Of Rose Hill - Redmond, WA KJV Churches The pastor is a self-taught, good man. What youre experiencing is absolutely normal and it gets easier with time. But when we begin to paint entire church groups with the broad brush of generalities then OUR motives become suspect. https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php. One young lady began attending a non IFB Baptist church. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! This is Bible 101 stuff. When we arrive in heaven we are going to be surprised not only by who is there, but by who isnt there. Suppose too that some of them on reading that Bible were to believe and repent of their sins and place their trust in Gods Son and His redemption for personal sin. Also, you keep mentioning Jesus statement about not leaving tithing undone. Christian Nightmares on Twitter: "RT @reachjulieroys: A former He was totally unapproachable on any personal issues. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. (And survived!) Since she has a place of her own now I dont see her as much as I like but I wont shun her because she left. For my part, I will continue to preach the Gospel and to teach the Word faithfully. I miss the preaching and singing. (Sorry) (: In Germany, the state church is Lutheran and in England, the Anglican church, France, the Roman Catholic Church, etc. They do not accept that authority was given to any particular man, pope, prophet, group or church on earth to be the means of the salvation of men. 3:8-13) are appointed from the local congregation and approved by the majority vote. Knolleys was imprisoned many times and suffered at the hands of the State Church. I went to and IFB Bible college (Fellowship Baptist College at the Averyville Baptist Church in E. Peoria, IL) and then to a second Baptist Bible college, Maranatha Baptist Bible College in Watertown, Wisconsin. But I also would agree that just about every other Church denomination has strict dress standards as well. It helped start the first Baptist church in Philadelphia the following year. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. The connection with past churches for the modern Baptist is not the name, but rather their doctrine and practice. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards. It is in fact Gods Word in 17th century english. We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. I wanted something different. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. I really dont know how to describe it. Also, and Im not sure how to word this question properly, but during the building of the original NT church as described in Acts and further in the rest of the NT, wouldnt they have had to subscribe to some form of outside authority and control in order for the church to be formed? I know some will hate me, and that's fine. My question would be: When has anyone ever given 10% to GOD. It more often then none goes to the support building, supplies, salaries of a ministry under the leadership of usually a man., Excellent book on the subject is Should the Church Teach Tithing by Russell Kelly, http://www.truthforfree.com/files/PDF/REK-Tithing3.pdf. If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith.. The magistrates found their order was becoming unpopular and impossible to enforce so the church in the future was left unmolested. But this article simply exposes the Baptist system as just another denomination among tens of thousands. All systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church has lead to doctrinal errors and corruption without exception and God has not party with them. It is not historically correct to identify Baptists as Catholic protestors who left the Roman church. I know, brainwashing is a strong word, but it fits. Any way dont want to lie on any church. I hope Im helping him in his faith journey. Im trying to figure out if it was worse of me for not using scripture to answer your question, which btw is not a question that required scripture, or yanking a handful of verses completely out of context as you did. My husband and I made the decision to leave the IFB about a year ago. You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph. Not all IFB churches are this way. Its nothing personal, just logic. This lasted only one Sunday however, and the following Sunday the doors were opened and services held in defiance of the order. In order to distinguish between the doctrinally unsound Baptist churches and those that believed the Bible many Baptist churches changed their name. Baptist We never shun people who leave the church. After 40 years of ministry as founding pastor of Greater Portland Baptist Church, Pastor Rick Adams is following the leading of the Lord to move into a new phase of ministry as a Missionary to pastors and church planters with Church Planting America. It is one made up of baptized believers organized in a local congregation for fellowship, teaching and evangelism. The tourists and the police finally separated after hundreds of dollars changed hands. My mother is divorced, as are a few others in the congregation. From there, entering into an IFB church really gave me a culture shock.
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