I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. November 2020; October 2020; September 2020; August 2020; July 2020; June 2020; May 2020; April 2020; March 2020; . He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Claps! One of Patricia's alibis was that she was at a bar on the night of the abduction. What evidence is there she actually left the state? Patricia, who moved from PA to North Carolina, made long distance calls from her home practically every day, except for the time period between December 11 and 16. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. Theres also the matter of a woman who suddenly remembered she saw Joann with another man at a Food Mart store five days after the disappearance. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. One on one? It was Patricias hair no question. They retested the hair for DNA evidence with updated technology definitely Patricias hair case closed. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Why bother with this site, which isnt for professional criminalists/forensic scientists, if youre going to get so tetchy and rude? Rorrer has appealed her conviction several times and her supporters believe additional DNA. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Nope. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Rorrer seems to have had relatively considerable appeals scrutiny of the convicting evidence, to no avail as yet. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. PATRICIA RORRER, : : Petitioner : v. : CIVIL ACTION NUMBER 19-01398 : WENDY K. NICHOLAS, : : Respondents : MOTION FOR DISCOVERY AND CONSOLIDATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW . SHAME ON THEM. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. She is sitting in Muncey Women's Correctional Facility for over 23 years now for something. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. If the answer is no, enough said! Just saying. Or did they? But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. This woman killed and is where she belongs! A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. Phone records dont lie.) The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Its definitely getting rougher every day, Andrew told the Morning Call. Flaw in reasoning. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. Three days later, Joann had plans to pick up her mother-in-law, Veronica Katrinak, to go Christmas shopping. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! More than 20 years after her conviction, Patricia Rorrer still has advocates working to exonerate her. Look into it. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Traupman died in 2016. Answer 1 of 3: My Thai wife put her foot down - despite Covid-19 were are going sightseeing, or else. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. I noticed quite a few errors myself. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. That said, Im curious to know how you arrived at that decision about her guilt. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. On January 11, 2021, And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. New state, new man. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! She just stayed in touch with everybody, Kathy Barber said in her interview on NBCs Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports in 2017. Still, no good leads materialized. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. Mr Steve J Perhaps that would lessen your fright. And she would just call out of the blue., According to the Free Patricia Rorrer page on Facebook:I called him to let him know that I was going to the USA finals for a horse show. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Several instances of malpractice, along with revelations have emerged since her incarceration namely, failing to forensically examine significant items of evidence items which would have seriously compromised their case had they been examined and failing to advise Rorrers Defence of witnesses who were prepared to testify on her behalf. How is it that these women are paroled? They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. And finally, your supercilious comment about Speculative lies Ive perused my previous comments and at no point do I see those words! She failed miserably to convince me, or anyone else who mattered, of her innocence. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Thats all for this post. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. February 29, 2020. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Police slowly built a case against Patricia. Animals would have for sure. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. And your appraisal of McIntyre is 100% spot on. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Why would she say that maybe she wasnt really a good friend, just someone trying to inject herself into a super sensational case. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. How so? I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. Vonda Smith: An Unexpected Twist . I therefore, perhaps naively, default to the judicial systems eventually getting the decision right. State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. DNA also doesnt lie. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? Hair we go. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. They are a joke. Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. Her diary certainly indicates some disturbed thinking. According to a Morning Call account from March 5, 1998: McIntyre leaned forward conspiratorially like someone trying to persuade another to tell a secret, lowered his voice and said: Heres what I want to know: After you killed Joann Katrinak, did you kill that baby or just leave it to die?. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. 51min. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. I would very much be interested in any comment you can offer in response to my input here. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. In April 1995, the family buried Joann and Alex in a single bronze casket after a funeral mass at a Bethlehem church. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Remember, killers have the advantage over investigators. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. Patricia Rorrer: The Hang Up: Directed by Joe Berlinger, Catharine Park. I do not think Mr K is guilty. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. You should be ashamed of yourself. Ms. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. So, if you feel you have to be critical of me, you should also bear in mind those hate-mongers and perhaps have a word with them too. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. Keep in mind that 34 hairs are in custody of the state police, so where are the other 4 hairs? She was convicted nearly 25 years ago of kidnapping and murdering Joann and Alex Katrinak, the wife and infant son of Rorrer's ex-boyfriend Andrew Katrinak. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. She didnt kill those two boys and TX knows, but they made too much noise about it, hence this is probably the real reason that Darlie hasnt been put to death 24-25 yrs later. Search it out and check for yourself. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! Presumably if they thought the evidence was against the states case, thats how theyd present as theres no obvious reason for them to be biased one way or the other. The evidence was all there. Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. So we can just pretend that everyone is honest all of the time? Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? Not sure why anyone is defending her. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. If Rorrer is innocent, she is a victim of a terrible miscarriage (terrible relatively because she is regarded as a child-killer and has been incarcerated for a many years) which I hope is corrected as soon as possible. I expect she will admit it one day. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. She should have been treated exactly the way she treated that mother and baby, taken out into the woods, shot, beaten and then left to die. And she will have to answer eventually. See Commonwealth v. Rorrer, CP-39- CR-0002176-1997 (C.C.P. Patty is my cousin. Stop. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. They returned with a guilty verdict and a sentence of two life terms. Prosecutor pounds away. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. While not a guilt sceptic, I suggest this was either ill-conceived expression or an expression of misguided mindset for its not for the defendant (albeit now convict) to convince of innocence but for prosecution to convince of guilt (and per appeal, that guilt is safe rather than innocence unproven). However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. Having read that and your most recent comment above, its clearly obvious youre a person of high educational standing and legal knowledge, which I fully respect. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. This article seems to have a great many errors and omissions, more by design, I fancy, than a need to tell the story objectively. Once you create your profile, you will be able to: Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. Have you read the book? I hope it was only sloppiness of language choice, I refer to your comment of December 22, 2020 at 1:04 pm in which you state, I quote.Im inclined to think both Rorrer and Routier are guilty.. The series was produced by Joe Berlinger, who made the Paradise Lost documentaries, which garnered actor Johnny Depps attention and ultimately helped free the West Memphis Three. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. she didnt need to . How would an intruder find it? Keep up your delusions. All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Having watched and read all that has been available, I feel very strongly, that a grave error has been perpetrated by the law authorities. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. Further, an early FBI report said the hairs found in the car had no roots which contain the DNA suggesting an evidence switcheroo. I cant lose them, he told the media. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Have you read the book? She definitely did it. The case rocked Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley and resulted in. Beautifully said Cliff! Why is this even a question, why people are trying to take out killers into society? Family members found Joanns tan Toyota sitting vacant in the parking lot of McCartys, a nearby bar. I dont think so. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. If you look at the crime scene picture, only parts of the mother seem preserved. Conflicting versions. Some lawyers call microscopic hair analysis junk science that today wouldnt qualify as evidence in a trial like Rorrers. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. I would have liked better her being put to death! Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. And I have absolutely no sympathy. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. Your email address will not be published. But defense lawyer Robert Pfeiffer said that plenty of evidence supported Patricias innocence. That woman has no soul. Sad discovery. Then you claim this is an opinion. Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? Youll have to make do with what you see here. Police believe Rorrer abducted and killed her ex-boyfriend's wife and infant son in Pennsylvania. Probably by the jeans and the boots. of course they all do it to make money only, some of them do it shamelessly, without the slightest attempt to be fair and honest. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Ep 204 - Patricia Rorrer: Under the Microscope TV-MA | 52 MINS | 2020 Patty Rorrer is convicted of the kidnapping and murder of her ex-boyfriend's wife and infant son, but "Wrong Man" investigators discover that the case is not so clear cut. Testimony from Walter Blalock contradicted Patricias claim that she never had a gun. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Thus Im confident shes the perp probably mentally disturbed at the time (the thought of her rationally, coolly killing her babies is too horrible), though probably not to the standard for criminal mitigation. Although the prosecution used it as evidence that she was trying to create a false alibi, it actually sounded more like Patricia was simply trying to nail down the facts he had already asserted to her. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well.
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