Web65 comments. I don't have an AI prescribed by my doctor, so I may need to get one online. Cloudflare Ray ID: 7c0d6cf02a14bf6a you can conclude that your dosage of AI is satisfactory for the time being. Generally, the low end of a blast is around 300mg per week. At the start of your cycle, these drugs are just entering your blood and havent even reached saturation levels, yet, a predetermined dose of Arimidex is being used to combat aromatization that may not even need addressing at the time, and that same predetermined dose is used later in the cycle where the amount of aromatization will be vastly different. Using a predetermined dosage for your AI simply makes zero sense. My question, do any of you guys run 200mg/week without an AI? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Privacy Policy. It's how I used to feel last year and years prior. 100mgs every 2 weeks will not. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. I recently got my family doc to bump my test-c dose to 200mg/ week from 150mg/week. Cookie Notice It isnt rocket science, however, many users seem to have completely neglected to comprehend why they are using an AI in the first place, and what purpose it serves. I am on my 12th week of Test-Cyp (250mg x2 per week). It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. I can run 200mg per week with no AI but if I add HCG then my e2 skyrockets which will cause libido issues. 6' 1" male at ~169 pounds pre, 174 pounds current. Can we use pregnant test bar to test whether the bought hcg is fake or not? Agreed^^^When I just TRT of 200mg of test c a week, I need an AI. while having a potential 2 week ester, are more effective when administered more often. So, if there is differing amounts of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle, as well as saturation levels increasing at different rates and heavily aromatizing compounds being swapped in and out of the cycle, does it make sense to be using the exact same dose of Aromatase Inhibitor for the entirety of this cycle? Ive done all my research, but I want to get rid of my last bit of uncertainty before actually starting. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Week 8-12: Anavar 50 mg per day. I was prescribed 1 MG Anastrozole E3D, which I thought was excessive, especially since my pre-TRT bloods had my Estradiol at <6.0. You could even get away with only 250iu's of HCG which would at least help with some e2. Past two weeks: Massive increase in strength, endurance, and recovery. Don't know what else to say. Look closer, from week 1-12 the guy has proposed that he will be using 0.5 mg per day of Arimidex. Some can bind with SHBG, consequently freeing up more Testosterone to be used in tissues. Thus making your current dose of Testosterone work better. Some can antagonize Estrogen, consequently reducing your need for an AI. This may even give you more wiggle room to increase your Testosterone dose even higher without needing an AI. If you have any of the traditional symptoms of high estrogen or low estrogen, you should first and foremost get blood work with a sensitive assay test to see where your estrogen levels lie. Dont be messing with bloods while your doctor gets you dialed in. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. I use 1mg on 200mg Test C a week, it kept my estro fairly low (not too low), without it my estro got high (a couple of points over the recommended limit), so it looks like I need a AI. Not looking looking significant muscle gain, more interested in strength, slight increase in aggression, increase competitiveness, faster recovery, and overall athletic performance. I did experiment with SARMs about 6 months ago, after I got bloodwork done just before I did that and my natural levels were basically more or less identical to what you see above. Thanks!! The body recognises it has a surplus and tells the testes that they don't need to produce any more! My natural test levels are about 700 ng/dl, for anyone thats wondering. And not only that, he was on 1 mg per day. Now, to the average steroid user, that probably doesnt look like a bad cycle outline and they may even be asking themselves what exactly is wrong with this. If you look at steroid cycles, 500mg test is a Scan this QR code to download the app now. Scan this QR code to download the app now. Blood work was ordered due to emotions, bloating, and nipple tenderness. That was the first time I figured out my problems were from testosterone deficiency, and as expected, SARMs massively increased my recovery not just to normal levels but beyond (worthwhile experiment for sure). I dont want gyno. Heres an example of what Im talking about: Hey guys, newbie to AAS here and wanted to run my cycle by you guys and see if you have any feedback or changes you would make. Performance & security by Cloudflare. For more information, please see our No AI was needed what so ever. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Alot of docs dont understand Testosterone. Cycle #3 500mg/wk Primo, 200mg/wk Deca, 200 mg/wk Test for 10 weeks. Run that for 12 weeks and then PCT. and our I can certainly bump up the test if I need to but have read that keeping test at 200mg/wk. Here are my starting and current numbers, Reference: Total T(348-1197) Free T(4.7-24.4) E2(25.8-60.7) SHBG(10-80), Starting 07/26: 543ng/dl 13.43ng/dl 43.2pg/ml 25nmol/L, Current 09/06: 1455ng/dl 47.41ng/dl 31.8pg/ml 19nmol/L. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. So, the key to staying in the sweet spot is getting your blood work done, and adjusting your AI dose accordingly based upon your current Aromatase Inhibitor needs. Plus the LGD might tank my SHGB causing higher E2. while running approx. Start with a reasonable AI dose, maybe half a mg eod and after a few weeks, maybe a month, get blood work and really understand what's happening inside your body brotha, By ftfaaa in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By ben01 in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By karimsins in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, By Actionman in forum Anabolic Steroids and PEDs, Need help knowing whether i should take arimidex with 200mg of test cypionate, Evolutionary.org Steroids Research Forums. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Even with the Test E, after his first couple shots, will there be as much test circulating in his system as there will be once the drug has fully saturated in the blood stream 5 weeks later in the cycle? Scan this QR code to download the app now. Also, how long until I can expect to see some gains on this type of cycle. Libido: From a 0/10 to a 5/10. You can get ripped on 200mg test/week, but it takes time and effort, and you will be a ripped natty guy, not a ripped bodybuilder. If you look at steroid cycles, 500mg test is a 'n00b' cycle, and most people will gain maybe a pound of real LBM a week on that. A heavier cycle might be e.g. 500mg test 300mg tren, which is equivalent to 2g test/week. Then, for the next 8 weeks hes completely off of Dbol and adds in Anavar at the end for 4 weeks. - Proper protocols should not be exceeding more than 200 mg of testosterone cypionate per week. This would be run with 500mg of test e per week. Going to 1.0 ml COULD lead to thick blood and other bad side effects. I agree with CP3 and the gentleman above here, 1 mg a day with 200 mgs Test would presumably crash your E levels. Urge to engage in my hobbies. Arimidex is only approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for For more information, please see our My fitness score in TrainingPeaks doubled in the past two weeks and I've been pumping out mileage I haven't dreamed of since last season. Testosterone Enanthate and Deca is a common combination with a cycle length of 12 to 14 weeks. The dosage is split up 2x week. Go onto Excelmale or the Cycle #2 300mg/wk Primo, 100mg/day Proviron, 300mg/wk Test Prop for 10 weeks. This is the point Im trying to drive home with this article. I don't know what caused my problems to start to be honest. However, it isnt uncommon for individuals to overshoot the Estrogen sweet spot, and tank their Estrogen without even knowing it. You shouldnt need any AI on 200 a week, but you need bloodwork to know for sure. Is it necessary? E.G. If I kept my AI dosage constant like that during a cycle (by cycle I mean a blast phase of a supraphysiological amount of highly aromatizing hormones), my experience would more than likely start out with me feeling symptoms of low estrogen, followed by symptoms of high estrogen later in the cycle once my level of aromatization had surpassed the inhibitory capacity of that particular dosage of AI. Most men do well on I've been prescribed this through an endocrinologist and not one of these TRT clinics that seem to be popular, so I only pay $30 a month for the medication, plus $10-20 here and there for bloodwork and doctor's visits. Recent bloodwork collected 09-Sep-2020. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Most definitely not 1mg of Adex a day that's over kill. Deca at 200mg to 300mg per week will prove highly effective Total testosterone - 60 nmol/L (1730 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 202 pmol/L (55 pg/mL)(This one didn't come with SHBG sadly), Total testosterone - 45 nmol/L (1300 ng/dL)Oestradiol - 212 pmol/L (57 pg/mL)SHBG - 18 nmol/L. If I did start to get symptoms of high E2, what AI would you recommend and what dosage? 250mg test e per week is a high cruise or mini blast but you shouldnt need an ai unless you aromatase tons. Or 100 mg split 50mg twice a week. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. If you've read any of my posts about hormones, you probably already know by now how little faith I have in most general doctors when it comes to properly addressing underlying hormonal deficiencies and imbalances. Week 1-12: Test E 750 mg. Week 1-12: Equipoise 700 mg. Week 1-4: Dbol 40 mg per day. If you are getting more than 200 mg per week, that is getting into gray area IMO. Does anybody take 200mg of test cyp per week? (PCT) Week 15-17 100mg/day Clomid for the first 10 days, then 50mg/day for 10 more days. TRT is a game changer - 100 mg/wk Test-C - Pre and Post Bloodwork, Scan this QR code to download the app now. if your TRT is 125 mg per week for example, and your doctor is giving you 0.5 mg of Arimidex twice per week, and after several weeks utilizing that protocol you get a blood test and your Estrogen levels show that you have a 5.5 pg/ml reading, you are using too much Arimidex, and probably shouldn't even be using Arimidex in the first place as such a little amount of it is crashing your Estrogen and it is too powerful of an AI for your particular needs. Would I need an AI for a 300mg test cycle? E.G. If I wanted to keep my My E2 on 150mg/week usually hovered around 30-40. 200 mgs per week is too high to start out with on TRT. Then, after actually getting on TRT, another challenge often rears its ugly head, and that is Estrogen control, and how to go about doing it safely and most effectively. Privacy Policy. 6' 1" male at ~169 If you dont need it, it will crash your e2 and youll feel like crap. After dedicating over 8 years to extreme self-improvement, I have created "More Plates More Dates" as a one stop shop for helping you to get yourself on the right path to the "best you" possible too. WebPrimo can be run in lower dosages (200mg - 500mg) but really has a fantastic effect when bumped up past 600+ mg a week. Also taking 2 mgs of adex a week is also way too much to start with. WebIf you inject 200mg of test a week your natural production will be near 0. /r/PEDs is dedicated to information about enhancing performance. This website is using a security service to protect itself from online attacks. I do feel really strange to have needed treatment like this at such a young age, but my body's had a hard life I suppose with my history. For some 120 mg per week puts some people at 1500. Jan 16, 2015. Normally 100 mgs per week is the starting dose. Consider this as an advanced cycle (not for first time users). I think its Check bloods on cruise pretty regularly Nac Well-known member Awards 3 Oct 5, 2021 #11 BBiceps said: In 1 or 2 shots? Weeks 1-6 40mg/day Dbol (split throughout day) Weeks 7-12 100mg/eod Trenbolone. I administer every 3.5 days along with HCG @ 500iu each time. Main thing is how I feel on the bike. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Even with high testosterone levels, you can still experience ALL of the unwanted side effects of out of range estrogen levels if they are too high or low. Both scenarios are very unpleasant to say the least. However, if you understand how these drugs work in the first place, you will understand there is a compounding effect with everything, and they take several weeks to fully saturate in your system. I haven't felt this good in a long time. WebCurrent dosing 0.25 mL of 200 mg/mL testosterone cypionate E3.5D (100 mg/week) intramuscular, vastus lateralis, using a 29 gauge insulin syringe. At this point I've gotten regular bloodwork and seen a really good PCP for years and I have a healthy lifestyle. This is the target estrogen sweet spot you want to shoot for to feel amazing and improve your quality of life substantially. [deleted] 2 yr. ago You may, or you may not. I've never used one before and don't have any symptoms at the moment such as itchy nipples etc. One colossal mistake I see widespread among bodybuilders and recreational enhanced lifters is that they have a predetermined dosage set for their Aromatase Inhibitor (AI). 193.227.116.28 I don't feel like death all the time. Archived post. Usually 2, or even more sometimes, but right after a blast I might drop to 1 cos I'm over pinning. I have days where I feel like an absolute king and then I have days where I feel worse than when I started trt. Cookie Notice I'm really grateful TRT is an option for me. I wouldn't need that much of an Aromatase Inhibitor even if I was on 5x as much Testosterone as he is on per week. Obviously the best way to confirm where your Estrogen levels lie though is via blood work. Most definitely not 1mg of Adex a day that's over kill. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Low energy. 200mg I really dont need any anti-e's unless Im reversing some sensitive nipples from a big cycle before. WebIm on: 175mg a week of sustanon (25mg ED subq) 250iu HCG M/W/F. This is what made the Mast effect on my lipid panel so pronounced. ~15% body fat if I had to guess. And MAYBE winstrol. You do bloodwork every 4 weeks and use/adjust AI use accordingly. I figured my E2 was climbing so I took .25 anastrozole which did nothing for ED or libido. When used for this purpose, Arimidex is typically introduced in week two of the cycle and taken for the entire length of the cycle at 0.5mg twice a week. Appreciate any response. I feel just right. It also focuses on lifestyle activities like exercise and nutrition for raising testosterone levels naturally or anything else related to testosterone the substance. And i was on a similar dose. But the strange thing is that as I continued to feel better and my diet and weight's gotten easier and easier to maintain (I'm really not that hungry on average anymore and had decent energy levels until about 8 months ago), I kept feeling worse and worse and my exercise recovery in particular got worse and worse. Current dosing 0.25 mL of 200 mg/mL testosterone cypionate E3.5D (100 mg/week) intramuscular, vastus lateralis, using a 29 gauge insulin syringe. For more information, please see our The small gain of faster recovery, more muscle etc. For more information, please see our Generally, the jobs AI algorithms can do are tasks that require human intelligence to complete, such as pattern and speech recognition, image analysis, and Firstly it's a little concerning that an MD would prescribe stuff with obviously no real knowledge of endocrinology, buuuuut I'll take rx test from whoever lol. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. I run 200mg a week, I am 28 and I cruise and blast too. Hello everyone. 200mg is kinda high. 1mg a day is way too high to start. The usage requirements of Aromatase Inhibitors while on SARMs will greatly differ from that of traditional aromatizing Steroids as well, which needs to be taken into consideration if that's what you are using. WebYou can get ripped on 200mg test/week, but it takes time and effort, and you will be a ripped natty guy, not a ripped bodybuilder. If you don't need an AI though and your body is extremely efficient at balancing androgens relative to estrogens, then by all means, push the Testosterone By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. WebMost people on TRT do not need AIs. would be offset by the bad. Your IP: Common symptoms of high estrogen include: These are all quite unpleasant side effects, and it isnt uncommon to experience several of them at once if your estrogen levels remain too high or low. My question is, will I need to use an AI such as arimidex or aromasin to keep e2 levels in check if im only using 200mg per week? and our my TRT is also 150 mg per week, and I literally only need to use 12.5 mg of Aromasin once a week to keep my Estrogen in the sweet spot. If your doctor is forcing drugs like Arimidex on you, be 100% sure you understand how to interpret your blood work before you start popping pills and hurt yourself. WebThrough the data interpretation methods made available by the recent AI tools, researchers and AI companies have focused on the development of models allowing to predict the So, if theres not as much test circulating in his system as it hasnt fully built up yet, there wont be as much Estrogen in his system. Subscribe and get my 20 Underground Bodybuilding Secrets You Wont Find On Google E-Book 100% FREE. In the case of this cycle, there are 2 heavily aromatizing compounds in there for the first 4 weeks (Test E and Dbol). (bloodwork provided for 150mg). Along with the testosterone I am taking 500iu HCG 2x week. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. Disclaimer: The information included in this article is intended for entertainment and informational purposes only. Most normal otherwise healthy men who have low serum levels due to age related decline and exhibit symptoms don't need 200 mg a week. TRT started 06-Aug-2020. need some opinions on whether i should bulk or cut, 200mg of test for 8 to 12 weeks what do I need to take with it? probably aromatase due to inactivity, diet, excessive After seeing where your Estrogen levels lie, you can decide what dose of AI, and which AI is appropriate to combat those symptoms. Add a Comment. A few concerns I recently had some blood work done after about 7 weeks of a dosage change from 150mg/week to 200mg/week of test cyp. Copyright 2022 More Plates More Dates All Rights Reserved. Curious on thoughts. For me personally, 75mg twice weekly yielded a tT of 650 and E2 (sensitive) of 25. Either drop the HCG or lower your test dose. Privacy Policy. This subreddit is for questions and discussion related to testosterone replacement therapy and testosterone. Would lowering the ai maybe help, or even just getting off of it and using it when I get high E2 symptoms work? Just the other day I had a consultation with a guy who told me about how he is on 150 mg of Testosterone per week for his TRT, and his doctor put him on 1 mg of Arimidex every day for his Aromatase Inhibitor. WebFor eg starting with 200:200 mg per week. If these symptoms go away and your sex drive is perfect, you have no erectile dysfunction issues, etc. How can you expect to keep your Estrogen levels in the sweet spot with a predetermined dosage of your Aromatase Inhibitor? I made a post not too long ago about taking an AI only instead of directly pinning myself, where I learned that will cause more harm than good. You need to determine how you react and aromatize so you can dial in your aromatase inhibitor needs. In short this has been a game changer. and our /r/PEDs is dedicated to information about enhancing performance. Either way is a lose lose. First was 500 mg test cyp per week and 50 mg Anavar per week. Is it safe to wait until sides develop before adding it? Scan this QR code to download the app now. I was planning on adding .5 mg E3D starting with the week 3 injection, which was today, but I'm interested to see what others are running at 200 mg Test/week. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. #5. Please include what you were doing when this page came up and the Cloudflare Ray ID found at the bottom of this page. This is far less likely to happen with the weaker AIs like Arimistane and Aromasin, but it is very common with Arimidex and Letrozole. Scan this QR code to download the app now. It is not intended nor implied to be a substitute for professional medical advice. At the 200mg dose of testosterone, you most likely will not need any AI. But you for sure need to have an AI on hand just in case you Well actually, not really, because there are a disturbing amount of doctors entrusted to treat patients properly who are actually completely incompetent when it comes to proper treatment during HRT. Assuming your T levels have the normal range like Lab Corp uses, then your total T and free T are too high. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Hey guys, newbie to AAS here and wanted to run my cycle by you guys and see if you have any feedback or changes you would make. "Mental energy" is what I would call it. I was told the body recognises steroids as if they're testosterone, so the body 'thinks' it has enough testosterone, so stops production. Either drop the HCG or lower your test dose. Original bloodwork collected 08-Jul-2020. I'd appreciate some feedback, especially from those of you with experience running NPP. Thanks for the help. Anyway, I'd say I feel like a new person, but really, I just feel like who I used to be, and that's fine with me. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Keep in mind, Arimistane is the only over the counter Aromatase Inhibitor on that list, the other three are Rx AI's, and can only be obtained via a prescription from your doctor and should only be used under the direction of your doctor. The goal you should have is to keep your Estrogen between 20-30 pg/ml for the entirety of your cycle, regardless of what dosage of AI is necessary to achieve that. After the anastrozole, symptoms have calmed down and I hold way less water on my frame too. Obviously the requirements will vary individual to individual dependent on your own genetic predispositions, but nobody would EVER need 1 mg of Arimidex everyday for TRT, and if they did they would be an extreme genetic outlier scenario, and even in a scenario like that I would bet money their Estrogen was actually in the toilet, or their Arimidex was fake/underdosed. If your Estrogen is too high, then you need to slightly increase your AI dose, or switch to a stronger one and start the titration process over again. - Everyone is different and more is not always better. If this is your first visit, please REGISTER. On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. Reply the-lone-squid Additional comment actions I didn't really use an A.I except for the first 2 weeks. On 200 mg a week of test-c you should not need an A.I. WebNot really, youll be in a range that you likely need an AI but without high enough test levels to offset the AIso youll either get some solid gyno and sides from high estrogen or youll crater your estrogen and have low estrogen sides. WebFirst cycle should be test only. Anyway I've learned a lot from reading here on Reddit and figured I'd share this as a way of saying thanks and maybe helping someone else. When I initially started TRT: Immediate mental benefits. If so how do you feel on it? Doc prescribed me 0.25mg Anastrozole 3x a week after blood work came back with good test levels but high oestradiol. Increasing stoicism and lack of interest in hobbies. I am attracted to women again, and it feels strange, because it's been a while, but it's not distracting. This guy was literally on the second strongest Aromatase Inhibitor there is, for a dosage of Testosterone that just keeps his Test levels at high-normal. So as expected, his libido nose dived, his dick ceased to work properly (no erections), he had insanely dry and achy joints, among a myriad of other horrible side effects. Week 1-12: Arimidex 0.5 mg per day. Who uses no AI on 250mg of test per week? Fucking sucks. ib00sti 2 yr. ago. 200 mg per week for me puts me in the 800s. There are several actions that could trigger this block including submitting a certain word or phrase, a SQL command or malformed data. Most people dont need that much. If you need an ai at 200, maybe that's a lil high for your body. Gotta get bloods done to be sure. Im good with 300mg/wk test e with 25mg proviron ed. Depends on YOUR physiology but you might not need AI at 200. 160mg a week puts me right at the top of range and no ai (e also high but in range). So, it should be pretty obvious by now that there is a vastly different amount of aromatization occurring at different points of this cycle.
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