So far every time the Scot Terror alerts in the house I am up and rolling, pistol on fire, finger outside guard. Yes, by treating it as an SA gun with the hammer down. However, some complain that this system can affect the 1911s enviably crisp and clean trigger pull. Nam risus ante, dapibus a, onec aliquet. My Jericho has a decocker/safety lever that doesnt bother me in the least. October 8, 2010 By Andy Loeffler filed under All Articles, Handguns, Self Defense Firearms. After the first shot, the slide will cycle and automatically cock the hammer for the next shot, resulting in a shorter, lighter second trigger press. But you say the Beretta Safety lever is a De-Cocker? I couldnt find it. Use a Decocking Mechanism when Available, B. plus it rolls the firering mechanism out of line so no chance of it firing while decocking. These What a joke, you have no business teaching anyone about firearms. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Unload all the guns before storing them away and load them when preparing for. Their firing pin is free-floating so there is no firing pin block unless the safety/decocker is engaged. Generally, de-cockers come in two flavors: Single-Stageand Two-Stage. Good info! Are they one of the better choices for serious personal defense uses? Also like my Sig p226. OK, but there is a tool for every purpose, and for our limited exposure to pistols, it is a fine design. There are a number of operating systems common to modern pistols, and we still see most on the range regularly. And, similar to many striker fired pistols, there is no manual safety to prevent me from firing the weapon when I want to. They do make the hammer fall (in most cases). They are not my go-to guns today. Consistently, my objection to them is the heavy trigger pull in DA mode. Having a father-in-law like you would be the next best thing. The disdain for the DA/SA is obviously not shared by everyone , The disdain for the DA/SA is obviously not shared by everyone . You can do the same thing you do with any glock without a decocker. Press the "magazine release" on the handgrip to eject the magazine. The views If theyd have bought a M&P or Glock right out of the gate, they wouldnt be singing the (highly limited) praises of this out-of-date design. . Wouldnt trade any of them for some plastic bullshit pistol. (Defense wise you are not precision shooting, pull the trigger not press it). WTF is this talking about? A glock will never have a heavy trigger pull on the first round and lighter thereafter and that is what I was talking about. Just got it and have not worked much with it. I do understand the hoi-ploi of the pistol world disliking the mechanism and operation, as being unnecessarily complex, heavy pull, and maybe inelegant. @ James McGillis There are some leftie techniques but they are pretty gun specific. Agreed! The first trigger pull takes a little time to get used to if you are more familiar with striker-fired pistols, but it isnt that hard. I take what the Fake Colonel Cooper says with the proverbial grain of salt. Why settle for anything less than the best? in the hope that if someone relieved him of his gun, that would give him a few seconds to get it back before he was shot with it, as opposed to a gun which only required pulling the trigger. When the original concept of a DA re volver was invented a century and a half ago, the idea of mastering the long heavy tri gger pull was never envisioned. Going to move it up next to wanker rails. Id never had a pistol like that before and, at first, thought it was pretty weird. Pick a mode, use that mode exclusively. You are a colossal tool and a Glock fanboy with zero credibility. My Sig SP2022 has the de-cocker and is DA/SA. This was my first handgun purchase and my only handgun for years. Yes, you can decock by lowering the hammer with one hand and gently squeezing the trigger with the other. Is Glock leg different from 1911 leg? My first semiauto was a Sig P229, after 30 years carrying revolvers, and I loved it *because* it used the same safety plan as a revolver, no safety on the gun except the DA pull, just like a revolver, then SA until decocked. Have to insert a short story here, Now I carry a LC9, on which I removed the safety, completely useless complication on a DAO gun. The vast majority of self defense shootings happen well under 15 yards. It all comes down to the mission. Or Not. There is a means of releasing tension on a DA/SA hammer fired gun with decocker or no decocker or SA. - When firing is complete, the pistol needs to be "de-cocked" in order to render it relatively safe before holstering. To help you out more, follow these steps to help you clear and store a pistol more carefully: After reading this write-up, you should have a good understanding of how to load, discharge, and clear your pistol safely. Now true, Ive only had a chance to dry fire it, but I much preferred the DA mode to the SA mode. I have both a 1911 and a Hi Power and neither are double action. 35, you have it labeled Beretta 92F, hammer down, trigger forward.. Appreciate your discussing. My brother in law wants to gift me a colt mustang .380. Very DA-revolver-like, for those of you that prefer a wheelgun. The guy always had strong opinions and spread misinformation that in the pre-internet age could not be easily challenged such as his claim that the 1911 was designed to be carried cock and locked. Seems to cater to Glock leg victims or those who read about handguns online Call of Duty players? Heavier yet smooth pull and a single trigger feel that doesnt change from shot-to-shot. Let go and it drops back to safe. sque dapibus efficitur laoreet. Just because its tougher for you, personally, to train people whose guns have a decocker, doesnt mean having a decocker or a DA/SA pistol is a bad idea. Consistency. Product prices mentioned in articles and videos are current as of the date of publication. Jeff Cooper, whose first name wasnt Jeff, signed all his articles Col. Jeff Cooper. If a firearm registered in your name went missing due to sheer negligence and got misused, be prepared to face severe consequences. When firing is complete, the pistol needs to be de-cocked in order to render it relatively safe before holstering. Options mean accidents (holstered cocked and unlocked? Mine was made in Dec. 2010 according to the S/N. In this write-up, we'd like to take you through different aspects of pistol usage and care. The lever comes back up on its own (with the assist of a spring, I think?) For example, a Beretta model 96G (decock only) looks almost exactly like a model 96FS (decocking safety) and it takes more than a casual examination to note the huge difference between the two. Owning a firearm is one thing, but proper usage and maintenance is a whole different ball game. Arts & Humanities Writing CIS 311. Only people who have a rudimentary understanding call it a Radom. Similar to the first time I shot a semi auto shotgun and couldnt figure out how to pump it after I missed a clay. this goofy thing is sao with a decocker! I forgot to mention on my previous post that I never carry with the safety on. And now Ill ask you again for the list of professional trainers that endorse the carry of cocked and unlocked SA or DA/SA autopistols. Come back and talk to me after youve spent 2-3 decades training folks how to use pistols, especially DA/SA autopistols with decockers. That is, unless youre an operator operating operationally who raises his nose at anything that isnt a striker fired polymer wonder 9. Provided of course the first shot was planned. On most designs, leaving the lever engaged results in a dead (i.e., non-functional) trigger. The first shot is going to be long and heavier, but will prevent an unintentional discharge if you pull your gun during a stressful situation. The next to bottom picture is the Polish wz. neat! We know after the Polish Army adopted the Radom, FN assisted them with establishing a factory to produce it. Plenty of competition shooters use a CZ or 1911 based design and they are great. Draw pistol from holster, support hand grasps slide in proper manner (serrated areas on slide), slide is pulled back till it stops, and then released (do not ride the slide). He ranks in my book with Fake Indian Elizabeth Warren. If you are already great with the DA/SA, youll be absolutely SUPERB with the other types (again, with the same practice). Same here- My P226R has yet to fail me at all, and the .22 caliber Xchange kit is good to go. Use the palm of your non-firing hand to pull the slide back and release it to chamber a round. Transition to new platform was a cinch, jack round in chamber press lever down, holster, no safety! If you are an amateur who hasn't gotten around to learning the ins and outs of pistol usage, we strongly encourage you to take the time to learn how to use a pistol safely. We will live with the imitations, and appreciated the added safety. No different than a DA/SA pistol with the hammer locked back and the safety off. With pistol in holster (empty), insert a fully loaded magazine in the magazine well and tap it in sharply. For a short answer, you need to unload the gun, empty the chamber, and pull the trigger. Actually, Ive had bad primers on training ammo, and the ability of my Jericho to hit that primer again on a subsequent trigger pull has been a definite time saver and advantage. Copyright 2022 Ammunition Depot, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED, Unleashing the Firepower of John Wick 4: The Top Featured Guns and Ammo, Florida Becomes the 26th State to Adopt Constitutional Carry, Gear Review: Rattlesnake Tactical Medium Range Bag, Gun Review: Springfield DS Prodigy - Part 2, How to Transfer Ownership of a Gun: State by State, Best of the Best, September 2022 Gun Giveaway (CONTEST ENDED). Always point a gun in a safe direction. Decock (untilt) pistol and reholster. Striker fired pistols suck!!! . A really good question for you to ask them, and yourself. Frame-mounted decocker is placed within easy reach of shooters thumb. Have one pistol with a decocker, not my carry weapon. Re: SP-01 and level of safety when decocking the hammer: The decocking version is the safest. You simply operate the pistol the way you practice and train to do so. Goddam, I wish I had a father like you. Whether it's your. Case three: Jeremy is working or playing? If all you want is a heavier trigger pull to make negligent discharges less likely, get a Glock and install a NY-1 or NY-2 connector, and youre good to go. Cocked and unlocked. I was wondering sometimes how safe the decockers are. Pellentesque dapibus efficitur laoreet. It has long since become a very easy thing to do. Take alot of what he said with a decent dose of salt. Ruger P95 and Beretta 92FS with slide-mounted decocking safeties. Exercise caution: Pick the pistol up with your dominant hand and point the muzzle in a safe direction. I dont think my CZs suck, and I did not find them that difficult to master. She is very proficient at drawing and cocking the hammer for the first shot rather than making the long DA pull. and who would want a toilet seat like a de-cocker? Wouldnt trade them for anything. Basically, striker fired plastic fantastics are cocked and locked as well. What led me to DA/SA pistols was a post I read that was written by a retired NYPD police officer. Several years later we elected a new sheriff who was a 1911 shooter and we were good to go. D. All of the above. When it comes to defensive firearms, I prefer simplicity and no extra levers or buttons. are doing just fine, my guess is that the market doesnt think like the author does. He foolishly got drunk before his intended assault and I just happened to come over and saw the bulge. arrow pointing to de-cocker: Click to expand. Support hand approaches and operates decocking safety, then moves into two-handed grip. Both the 1911 and Hi Power use the single action/double action, cocked and locked style mechanism; they were quickly becoming the most popular auto-loading pistols of the day. Tenth? Decocking safeties (like on the 92-series and the Walther PP/PPK) are whatever, theyre not my cup of tea but I see why some people like them. And it will be a consistent trigger pull that doesnt vary from shot one to shot two, which anyone with training experience can tell you is easier to learn and manage for good results, especially for a novice or folks who dont practice very much (I.E., the average gun owner). That was when I wore a pistol bag and before I went to a belt holster. This type of technology to protect your marriage. Once we explain the ins-and-outs of de-cockers to students, we often field two sarcastic questions:Who came up with this? Plus, don't make the mistake of leaving your firearm lying around unsecured. Weve got the appeal to authority fallacy. S&W, SIG, H&K, Walther and Ruger (among others) produced vast quantities. Safety with any firearm resides between the ears, not due to any safety system or the lack thereof. B. Ive got de-cocking guns. Should Taurus add a manual decocking capability, most likely actuated by pushing the safety down past the firing position, allowing a controlled, non-firing release of the striker? The striker-fired pistols were usually worse. Why? I always carry hammer-down when concealed carrying. Show us on the doll where the decocker touched you. You know so much its almost hard to argue with you (not that I actually would want to. This article is not only pure opinion, but a poorly informed and backed opinion. This is generally deemed less safe because (A) it requires slow and awkward cocking of that rear-mounted hammer, a task perhaps better suited to an orangutans paw than the human thumb, and (B) it requires pulling the trigger of a loaded gun to safely lower the hammer, which can easily result in a slip and an unintended discharge. Not. Speaking of needless safety and training issues, should we discuss the need to pull the trigger on striker fired gun before disassembly? Course Hero is not sponsored or endorsed by any college or university. The Decocker gives you more options. Okay, now youre not even reading what I wrote, just parroting your fake talking points. 1911 load one press safety up, Holster! Either something needs shooting or it doesnt. Is she single? . I explain how a rimfire pistol works, why it damages the gun when you dry fire it and how you can safely decock it. User: To decock a pistal safely and easily you should safely unload the pistal then utilize the . Iver Johnsons Safety Automatic was the first revolver that was drop safe with a round under the hammer. Then again, my EDC is a Kahr, so I am used to DA triggers. Ive seen M9 users out shoot Glock boys easily and Smith 1st Gen guys leave folks in their wake with mouths slack. No, the 1911 and Hi Power are single action, they are not DA/SA unless this is just janky grammar saying that all of these designs can be carried cocked and locked. Were still waiting for official confirmation that a Glock will replace the SIGs currently in-use by the SEAL teams (A rumor to that effect popped up last year). This is why a decocker is an extra in my opinion. Describe follow through and why is it important. They require an initial press downward to de-cock. That was comforting. It would allow the gun to be used DA/SA. Its called the ViS. This is verging on clickbait and I clicked. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. AND, you dont really know how good you COULD be. Yet if I wrote about how semi automatics are crappy because they dont work for me it would be kind of silly, no? $200 for it, or Enhanced Warranty. He wrote that all the negligent/accidental discharges he was aware of had taken place with the Glocks. Love it! The manual safety version of the SP-01, while not as safe as the decocking version, has an advantage over some other pistols with manual safeties. Fact: DA trigger pull is still minute of bad guy accurate, and most people dont need anything more than that. Your opinion please. Hello? JER (Joint Ethics Regulations), para. Having a gun you can disengage and yet still fire without moving the slide is bad? He went on to point out that at the time he worked the NYPD had three choices for service weapons, Sigs DA/SA pistols, a version of S&W DA/SA pistols and Glocks. Obviously not the surplus cop pistol part, but first quality pistol impressions, like first loves, can stay with a person and color their opinions forever. I knew bootlickers were invalids, but this It comes down to a reliable weapon and solid training more than anything else. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. My backup was a S&W 442 because of the DA only trigger and light weight. My 1911s and Hi-Power had neither a double action mode nor a decocker, action of either is single action with safety. In fact, it is actually advantageous when there is a struggle over the gun. This would do two things. If it does, I want it to be as easy and accurately perforated as possible. These include 1911-style guns, a few other rarer designs, the occasional revolver and those we refer to as de-cocker systems. Again, IMO, the decocker is an extra. I love opinion pieces. I just dont see the hate. Sorry, an error occurred and we could not sign you up. No offense but it states rather the obvious. Absolutely love my CZs, Got 3; a 75B SA, a P01, and a PCR that is my EDC. Ill stick with my feature full DA/SA pistol operated in the way I see fit. Best handgun design ever: DA/SA, visible hammer, decocking lever. Or you dont have to use it at all. You can unsubscribe at any time by replying STOP or clicking She loves her gun, says she shoots it better than her 9 mm compact pistol. How would you apply this to left hand shooters, other than having safety devices on both sides. Editors Note: Please be sure to check out The Armory Life Forum, where you can comment about our daily articles, as well as just talk guns and gear. The things just work, and work well! Still have it to this day & will Love it to my grave. Thank you Bob. And the worst: And from there, you only have to remember to Draw & fire. I can see both arguments, at least until somebody records enough experiences to give a real basis for comparison. That what the DS means. i wont even mention the hammer and firing pin blocks; suffice it to say that when theyve worn enough dropping the hammer with the decocker will fire a loaded round. or an instructor who has seen the various problems with effective use of these pistols in actual use. The Walther decocker (PP, P-38) actually lock the firing pin in position as the safety/decocker iso engaged. Any advice on safety would be greatly appreciated. In all honesty, many police departments, etc, look for a cheap reliable gun (e.g. Although recent trends in the law enforcement and commercial markets have favored striker-fired semi-automatic pistols for home and holster, the more traditional double-action semi-auto retains a strong presence. So how could all these 19th century and early 20th century people carry guns with a round in the chamber or a round under the hammer in the case of a revolver and not have all sorts of accidental discharges? Wouldnt trade it for most of the junk around today. Decock. keep nose pickers out of trigger and good to go. Between the DA trigger pull and having proper holsters that cover the trigger and trigger guard, the safety becomes an unnecessary redundancy.
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